Jun 23 13:22:31 * Sypress crashes into Iris
Jun 23 13:22:49 <Sypress> That should be allowable in EVE. Using your ship like a battering ram.
Jun 23 13:23:10 <Sypress> Giant missiles of doom
Jun 23 13:23:12 <Iris> The engine would weep.
Jun 23 13:23:12 <Wolfchild> It is, it blocks warp
Jun 23 13:23:30 <Sypress> I mean, damaging rams
Jun 23 13:23:33 <Taisa> nope
Jun 23 13:23:34 <Iris> Adding collision damage would make lag like we would not belive
Jun 23 13:23:38 <Sypress> Not 'bump'
Jun 23 13:23:45 <Taisa> autopilot and eject letting it blow up
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Jun 23 13:24:26 <Wolfchild> Now harakiri should count for at least 200 damage
Jun 23 13:24:27 <Sypress> I think the hitboxes already in use would make it pretty decent for lag issues.
Jun 23 13:25:06 <Iris> Also, I better be able to one shot a hulk with a thorax under mwd, if this were added... That would be entirely to much fun
Jun 23 13:25:12 <Sypress> I don't mean ULTRASUPERMEGA advanced collision detection, just some simplistic hitbox-like setups.
Jun 23 13:25:48 <Sypress> GMOD makes hitbox-detection fun
Jun 23 13:26:02 <Sypress> Welds breaking apart, entire sections busting off, etc.
Jun 23 13:26:06 <Wolfchild> I wait for owning my own planet first, then rams. But you could write an suggestion to the forums
Jun 23 13:26:52 <Iris> Planet sovernty is easy, dont need to fly on the damn things... Mm just like gold old TDAK
Jun 23 13:27:09 <Iris> And it should only be open to proper space owning factions.
Jun 23 13:27:38 <Iris> Which should be at the corp level, not alliance imho, and still 0.0 only.
Jun 23 13:28:41 <Wolfchild> I think they should make planets an perfect sphere first and do something about the textures, and include orbital bombardment, not hard, but oh so goody, and I think every player should get at least one planet/innhabited moon. We are demigods, aren't we. Fun stuff should not be limited to 0.0
Jun 23 13:29:20 <Iris> Owning space (moons, planets, stations) should be 0.0 only, everything else is already claimed.
Jun 23 13:29:40 <Iris> You should have to earn and claim your planet or moon.
Jun 23 13:30:53 <Iris> So yes, I think planet claims should be 0.0 only.
Jun 23 13:31:07 <Iris> If you want to try, come out to fight and die like the rest of us.
Jun 23 13:31:09 <Wolfchild> I disagree, but ok.
Jun 23 13:31:10 <Sypress> Makes it hard for us who can't hold our ships together in 0.0
Jun 23 13:31:36 <Iris> Learn to, none to hard.
Jun 23 13:31:48 <Wolfchild> And some people enjoy Eve for other aspects, then "yarr podkill for Killboards"
Jun 23 13:31:50 <Sypress> Last time I went into lowsec, I was locked down by a heavy interdictor.
Jun 23 13:31:51 <Iris> I was in 0.0 full time with in 2 months of joining the game.
Jun 23 13:32:21 <Sypress> At least he didn't have weapons.
Jun 23 13:32:40 <Iris> You're saying that all there is to living in 0.0 is killing? Theres maintaining logistics, and a host of other things.
Jun 23 13:33:03 <Sypress> That's all I ever see out there.
Jun 23 13:33:10 <Sypress> Killing, killing, and more killing
Jun 23 13:33:14 <Wolfchild> I agree
Jun 23 13:33:37 <Sypress> Everywhere I go seems to be volatile space
Jun 23 13:33:56 <Iris> We kill to enforce our claim, and most of the logistics is in the backround.
Jun 23 13:34:14 <Sypress> So what happens if I venture clear out to your area?
Jun 23 13:34:19 <Iris> We kill you.
Jun 23 13:34:24 <Sypress> Exactly
Jun 23 13:34:26 <Iris> You're not us.
Jun 23 13:34:29 <Sypress> Hence why I don't go out there.
Jun 23 13:34:38 <Sypress> YOu can't trust anyone for shit out there.
Jun 23 13:34:39 <Wolfchild> Then why do you have those gawkers, that run around smacktalking and enjoy killing off even pods, and even without offering ransom?
Jun 23 13:34:54 <Sypress> I learned that the hard way, twice, that you couldn't trusy ANYONE.
Jun 23 13:34:54 <Iris> Because even a pod is a intel tool.
Jun 23 13:35:08 <Iris> And therefore must be gone.
Jun 23 13:35:23 <Sypress> Right, you kill someone who isn't even a threat.
Jun 23 13:35:43 <Iris> Because giving intel is a enemy is a good thing?
Jun 23 13:35:53 <Wolfchild> That's bordering to fulfilling deep dark needs just for pleasure. Such people should not pilot starships.
Jun 23 13:35:58 <Iris> A pod can report numbers and movments.
Jun 23 13:35:59 <Sypress> ANd who would I give it too?
Jun 23 13:36:06 <Wolfchild> You should live, so you make no enemies.
Jun 23 13:36:12 <Iris> Your corp, you might be a alt of a greater alliance power.
Jun 23 13:36:20 <Sypress> I don't kill people for the hell of it.
Jun 23 13:36:25 <Iris> Every one that is not blue, is hostile.
Jun 23 13:36:45 <Iris> The order of life in fringe space.
Jun 23 13:36:47 <Sypress> I search for things, prod around the dark corners, and kill an occasional rat.
Jun 23 13:37:07 <Iris> How do I, as someone that just ran into you know that?
Jun 23 13:37:15 <Iris> Also, you are taking my resources, the rats.
Jun 23 13:37:27 <Sypress> Oi
Jun 23 13:37:31 <Sypress> Lowsec is bullshit then
Jun 23 13:37:44 <Iris> How so?
Jun 23 13:37:46 <Sypress> Can't go anywhere without being killed, ENd of story.
Jun 23 13:37:55 <Iris> YOu have to out think the killers.
Jun 23 13:37:58 <Wolfchild> Better stick to highsec
Jun 23 13:38:12 <Sypress> Kinda hard when you can't cloak while locked on.
Jun 23 13:38:16 <Iris> I've been persued, and evaded with out firing a shot.
Jun 23 13:38:30 <Sypress> I keep a cloaking device, but my ship is a lumbering rock.
Jun 23 13:38:40 <Iris> They were in HACs whileI was in a domi.
Jun 23 13:38:50 <Wolfchild> Best way to move in 0.0 is in an stealth bomber with scan probes
Jun 23 13:38:58 <Iris> Not to say I have not lost my fair share of ships.
Jun 23 13:39:08 <Iris> Planing on suprising a ratting raven?
Jun 23 13:39:10 <Sypress> I don't have billions to expend.
Jun 23 13:39:17 <Wolfchild> Besides those 0.0 people use hacks or exploit bugs so they can kill you, while you're disconnected or something.
Jun 23 13:39:21 <Sypress> If I lose something. It's gone.
Jun 23 13:39:23 <Wolfchild> That's not what I call fair play
Jun 23 13:39:40 <Iris> You ar ein space for 30 seconds after logging
Jun 23 13:39:52 <Iris> 15 minutes if you're agressed by a player
Jun 23 13:40:15 <Iris> I have just under half a billion in liquid assets at the moment.
Jun 23 13:40:22 <Sypress> The safest place I can find is Providence.
Jun 23 13:40:23 <Iris> By no means am I rich.
Jun 23 13:40:36 <Wolfchild> They even exploit the bad grid. So 0.0 and lowsec must be avoided by all cost, if not backed up by an majr alliance
Jun 23 13:40:37 * Nakayme hugs Iris and gives him kisses.
Jun 23 13:40:51 <Sypress> I spend my first few weeks out there because of jackass corps war-dec'ing us.
Jun 23 13:41:07 <Iris> A few enitys found a way to tweak a grid, ohnoes.
Jun 23 13:41:08 <Sypress> I want to play the game, not run around in fear 24/7
Jun 23 13:41:12 <Wolfchild> Aye another bad thing
Jun 23 13:41:23 <Iris> Wardecs are -bad-?
Jun 23 13:41:29 <Wolfchild> Hard for people to enjoy the game if chased like an fox in an unfair foxhunt
Jun 23 13:41:37 <Iris> I say that having lost plenty of ships to them.
Jun 23 13:41:41 <Sypress> When a 120+ man corp declares war on a 6 person corp?
Jun 23 13:41:42 * Wolfchild nuzzles Sypress
Jun 23 13:41:48 <Sypress> Are you seriously asking me that question, Iris?
Jun 23 13:42:00 <Iris> Sure. Why not, they have might so should make right~
Jun 23 13:42:24 <Sypress> Demanding 1 billion from a tiny missioning corp is bullshit.
Jun 23 13:42:28 <Wolfchild> See, that kind of philosophy ruins Eve for many people, in benefit of few. Luckily CCP sees that.
Jun 23 13:42:48 <Iris> That might makes right ruins a game thats been driven by it all it's life?
Jun 23 13:42:59 <Wolfchild> What would Eve be without it's players? just another lousy private epeen-measuring MMORPG.
Jun 23 13:43:23 <Iris> It's a niche game, and the many tend to try to out might each other?
Jun 23 13:43:32 <Nakayme> Last time my corp was wardecced when we had people active, we all warped to different parts of the galaxy, let them waste time pursuing us 20 jumps out, logged off, and logged in with someone else and they'd have to jump out 20-30 jumps to get to them. Then when they got to the system, log out and choose a new character again
Jun 23 13:43:46 <Nakayme> They got tired of that real fast :P
Jun 23 13:44:07 <Iris> Does that really make a few thats the target? Every one is a target.
Jun 23 13:44:26 <Iris> Right now, I'm camping a RA station to ensure they leave with nothing.
Jun 23 13:44:33 <Iris> They lost, they get to die.
Jun 23 13:44:40 <Nakayme> No, but when you're a target, you don't get any help and people still want you to do stuff for them or give them stuff.
Jun 23 13:45:08 <Iris> My point is, in eve, noone is safe and everyone is a target to someone.
Jun 23 13:45:15 <Sypress> Someone killed me, in an Itty 2 after I docked at a 0.4 station to pick up a scanner
Jun 23 13:45:20 <Wolfchild> Is this what happens on this channel allt he time? in that case I'm in the wrong place for an friendly, and casual chat.
Jun 23 13:45:45 <Iris> This is fairly friendly, I'm yet to see any decent yelling
Jun 23 13:46:13 <Nakayme> Most of the time it's more friendly. But everyone should have a right to vent.
Jun 23 13:46:40 <Sypress> EVE just isn't fun when you can't even venture a jump away without being shot.
Jun 23 13:46:40 <Wolfchild> Everyone should have an right to get their opinions respected and considered.
Jun 23 13:46:56 <Iris> IF you can't outthink the people shooting you.
Jun 23 13:47:27 <Sypress> Let's outthink them when they have a 2 second lockon time and your ship moves at 23m/s while cloaked shall we?!
Jun 23 13:47:35 <Sypress> Jesus fucking christ.
Jun 23 13:47:42 <Sypress> We're not all 4-year players.
Jun 23 13:47:58 <Wolfchild> Thinking needs time, what you don't have when beeing agressed often. I think jump clones need to be more availiable.
Jun 23 13:48:18 <Iris> If you cant decide what to do in the gate cloak time, you think to slowly.
Jun 23 13:48:41 <Sypress> THis isn't about gate timing.
Jun 23 13:48:47 <Sypress> This is about general moving around.
Jun 23 13:48:59 <Sypress> Also, ore stealers. They're just a bunch of assholes.
Jun 23 13:49:08 <Iris> Eve does not need to be any smaller, more jump clones would make it such. Now allowing implant profiles would be handy.
Jun 23 13:49:26 <Iris> You can shoot then, you were giving a method of recourse and stoping them.
Jun 23 13:49:58 <Wolfchild> Not more jmpclones, easier to get, losing 400 m of implants is sad
Jun 23 13:50:26 <Iris> Not hard at all to get, either grind standings, or join a space holding alliance.
Jun 23 13:50:59 <Iris> And like I said, being able to chaqnge implants (Via a profile or something) on a single clone would be nifty and a better fix.
Jun 23 13:51:46 <Wolfchild> As would be unplugging them not for sale, but for tight fits, make an "used_impplant" group which can't sell
Jun 23 13:52:09 <Iris> Being able to swap from inty implents to battleship with out a 24h cool down would be nice
Jun 23 13:52:18 <Iris> So would being able to rip them out of bodies
Jun 23 13:54:09 <Iris> also making salvage give more, like ultra compressed minerals and the lick (and much more out of playerships) would be nice.
Jun 23 13:54:33 <Iris> Ransom piracy is dead, mostly because of: Killboard whores, and people who wont pay up.
Jun 23 13:54:53 <Nakayme> Actually, I wish you would be able to go and access jump clones more often. Like maybe once every 6 hours.
Jun 23 13:55:25 <Iris> If they wont give a implant method, that would be nice, but eve does not need to be any smaller
Jun 23 13:56:00 <Wolfchild> I feel proud for defying an ransom, and just getting out in my pod and "shoot me" takes all the fun away from them stalkers, only killboard ratings remain.
Jun 23 13:56:07 * Sypress insures his Flaccidmissilewaffle
Jun 23 13:56:29 <Iris> And yet you complain that no one offers them in the first place any more.
Jun 23 13:56:52 <Iris> Also it's pretty hard to get a pod anywhere but 0.0 thanks to instantly warping.
Jun 23 13:57:21 <Wolfchild> Pods instawarp? in less then 2.0 secs it takes to lock on them?
Jun 23 13:57:47 <Iris> Yes.
Jun 23 13:57:50 <Taisa> prettymuch
Jun 23 13:57:52 <Iris> They align instantly.
Jun 23 13:58:04 <Wolfchild> Aye caramba thanks for the usefull info
Jun 23 13:58:05 <Iris> Most none 0.0 podkills are due to lag
Jun 23 13:58:28 <Iris> o.o due to bubbles, glorious bubbles.
Jun 23 13:59:03 <Wolfchild> Bubbles increase your agility/speed?
Jun 23 13:59:20 <Iris> No, they are a AoE anti warp device
Jun 23 13:59:55 <Sypress> Heh. I'm Gallente, and Gallente doesn't like me anymore
Jun 23 14:00:03 <Wolfchild> Ouch
Jun 23 14:00:37 <Iris> Theres one you can set up permanatly, and interdictors that can deploy a temp one instantly
Jun 23 14:00:49 <Nakayme> What is your standing with the gallente?
Jun 23 14:01:32 <Sypress> -0.03
Jun 23 14:01:40 <Sypress> With Diplomacy
Jun 23 14:01:50 <Taisa> still
Jun 23 14:02:29 <Taisa> better than my -2.70 or with Diplo -1.70
Jun 23 14:03:19 <Wolfchild> Mission grinding brings mine to an whooping 0.0 :) Caldari
Jun 23 14:03:45 <Sypress> Caldari Navy loves me, but Caldari themselves don't like me much
Jun 23 14:04:36 <Wolfchild> I hafta work on my Diplomacy
Jun 23 14:04:39 <Nakayme> Hey
Jun 23 14:05:04 <Nakayme> If I put up a secure cargo container and anchor it, will Concord kill people that shoots at it if it is in highsec?
Jun 23 14:05:35 <Taisa> yes
Jun 23 14:05:48 <Taisa> but killing a GSC is ubertly hard to pop
Jun 23 14:05:52 <Wolfchild> Put goodies in it, or pretend to put
Jun 23 14:06:48 <Nakayme> How much do GSCs hold?
Jun 23 14:07:06 <Wolfchild> 3 k
Jun 23 14:07:08 <Wolfchild> m3
Jun 23 14:07:18 <Nakayme> That sucks. And they have to be placed how far apart?
Jun 23 14:07:35 <Sypress> 3900
Jun 23 14:07:38 <Sypress> They take up 3000
Jun 23 14:07:40 <Wolfchild> Hmm not sure? 5 or 50 km's
Jun 23 14:07:46 <Sypress> 5000m
Jun 23 14:07:56 <Sypress> Within easy scooping distance.
Jun 23 14:08:13 <Nakayme> I'm wondering if it would be worth doing that while I mine in a hulk.
Jun 23 14:08:15 <Sypress> Just be sure to bookmark where you left them
Jun 23 14:08:45 <Nakayme> Seems to me like it'd be just as effective to just fly back to the station and dock when my load is finished.
Jun 23 14:08:46 <Sypress> Better off to jetcan while someone with an Itty 5 hauls it away
Jun 23 14:09:08 <Wolfchild> How much does an itty 5 hold with T2 expanders?
Jun 23 14:09:19 <Sypress> Over 9 thousand
Jun 23 14:09:30 <Taisa> I do it the other way
Jun 23 14:09:33 <Nakayme> Yeah, I'd do that, but I am losing my hauler tommorow
Jun 23 14:09:38 <Taisa> anchor one, and use that as a warp in point
Jun 23 14:09:38 <Sypress> I think something more like 20k if you got it just right
Jun 23 14:10:04 <Taisa> I put my first cycle in it to "top up" the hulk, so I always dock up with full cargobay
Jun 23 14:10:08 <Wolfchild> My Bestower fits 23 k m3 with 4 expanders ;) and it's IV
Jun 23 14:10:10 <Nakayme> I already have several parts of the belts bookmarked
Jun 23 14:10:32 <Taisa> heh
Jun 23 14:10:45 <Sypress> I mine in a Myrmidon
Jun 23 14:10:50 <Wolfchild> Ouch
Jun 23 14:10:56 <Wolfchild> Nah Hulks are best
Jun 23 14:11:02 <Iris> Go for a battleship or a exhumer
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Jun 23 14:11:07 <Sypress> THis thing outmines the Procurer
Jun 23 14:11:11 <Iris> Unless you're doing ice or mercoxit
Jun 23 14:11:26 <Nakayme> It's not hard to outmine a procuror :P My Osprey can do that with 3 lasers.
Jun 23 14:11:28 <Sypress> Which I probably won't
Jun 23 14:11:41 <Sypress> Well, whichever can hold 3 lazors
Jun 23 14:11:57 <Iris> Ice is easy to find, and mexcoxit is a fairly common ore, and the miner for it is a good ninja miner
Jun 23 14:12:10 <Wolfchild> Well, best thing for longminers it something like Itty V with Miner II, for people that can focus, an Osprey with more Miners II
Jun 23 14:12:12 <Sypress> I extract 520m3 every minute, instead of 400 something for Strip lasers
Jun 23 14:12:43 <Nakayme> I extract 1000m^3+ every minute in my hulk.
Jun 23 14:12:45 <Wolfchild> I extract hmm lemme see 2 k an minute
Jun 23 14:13:12 <Nakayme> But the one thing you need an exhumer or barge to do that you can't do in anything else is mine ice.
Jun 23 14:13:23 <Taisa> in my hulk
Jun 23 14:13:36 <Taisa> 1305.91m3 per laser per 3 minute cycle
Jun 23 14:13:37 <Iris> Use a mack for ice, and the skiff rips up mercoxit.
Jun 23 14:13:43 <Wolfchild> THe smallest T2 exhumer is cool, it's made for use in 0.0
Jun 23 14:13:47 <Sypress> I wish you could blow asteroids to little chunks, and haul them around with a tractor beam.
Jun 23 14:13:55 <Iris> All of them are 0.0 capable.
Jun 23 14:14:05 <Taisa> Wolfchild
Jun 23 14:14:06 <Iris> The hulk can tank a battleship spawn
Jun 23 14:14:12 <Taisa> have you tried tanking a Skiff?
Jun 23 14:14:25 <Iris> It runs easy, is what he ment.
Jun 23 14:14:40 <Wolfchild> Nope, but with proper skills, the Hulk, can tank an BS right, just need an escort for human rats
Jun 23 14:15:11 <Iris> A inty wolf pack eats most escorts, seen that first hand when those two domis went squish~
Jun 23 14:15:33 <Sypress> I wish our entire corp had drakes
Jun 23 14:15:39 <Iris> ... Why?
Jun 23 14:15:39 <Sypress> EPIC MISSILE SPAM OF DEATH
Jun 23 14:15:41 <Wolfchild> Interceptors eat drakes
Jun 23 14:15:56 <Sypress> Either that or Ravens
Jun 23 14:15:56 <Iris> Well, the warrior IIs the drakes can throw...
Jun 23 14:15:58 <Sypress> Or Golems
Jun 23 14:16:04 <Wolfchild> Try to hit something that moves 3k m/s
Jun 23 14:16:09 <Iris> Take you out one by one.
Jun 23 14:16:25 <Wolfchild> Drones are best fitted on Gallente bs
Jun 23 14:16:31 <Iris> If I was in a wolfpack, and saw a belt full of golems, mmm
Jun 23 14:16:38 <Iris> So you ignore the drone bay on other things
Jun 23 14:16:40 <Iris> ?
Jun 23 13:22:49 <Sypress> That should be allowable in EVE. Using your ship like a battering ram.
Jun 23 13:23:10 <Sypress> Giant missiles of doom
Jun 23 13:23:12 <Iris> The engine would weep.
Jun 23 13:23:12 <Wolfchild> It is, it blocks warp
Jun 23 13:23:30 <Sypress> I mean, damaging rams
Jun 23 13:23:33 <Taisa> nope
Jun 23 13:23:34 <Iris> Adding collision damage would make lag like we would not belive
Jun 23 13:23:38 <Sypress> Not 'bump'
Jun 23 13:23:45 <Taisa> autopilot and eject letting it blow up
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Jun 23 13:24:26 <Wolfchild> Now harakiri should count for at least 200 damage
Jun 23 13:24:27 <Sypress> I think the hitboxes already in use would make it pretty decent for lag issues.
Jun 23 13:25:06 <Iris> Also, I better be able to one shot a hulk with a thorax under mwd, if this were added... That would be entirely to much fun
Jun 23 13:25:12 <Sypress> I don't mean ULTRASUPERMEGA advanced collision detection, just some simplistic hitbox-like setups.
Jun 23 13:25:48 <Sypress> GMOD makes hitbox-detection fun
Jun 23 13:26:02 <Sypress> Welds breaking apart, entire sections busting off, etc.
Jun 23 13:26:06 <Wolfchild> I wait for owning my own planet first, then rams. But you could write an suggestion to the forums
Jun 23 13:26:52 <Iris> Planet sovernty is easy, dont need to fly on the damn things... Mm just like gold old TDAK
Jun 23 13:27:09 <Iris> And it should only be open to proper space owning factions.
Jun 23 13:27:38 <Iris> Which should be at the corp level, not alliance imho, and still 0.0 only.
Jun 23 13:28:41 <Wolfchild> I think they should make planets an perfect sphere first and do something about the textures, and include orbital bombardment, not hard, but oh so goody, and I think every player should get at least one planet/innhabited moon. We are demigods, aren't we. Fun stuff should not be limited to 0.0
Jun 23 13:29:20 <Iris> Owning space (moons, planets, stations) should be 0.0 only, everything else is already claimed.
Jun 23 13:29:40 <Iris> You should have to earn and claim your planet or moon.
Jun 23 13:30:53 <Iris> So yes, I think planet claims should be 0.0 only.
Jun 23 13:31:07 <Iris> If you want to try, come out to fight and die like the rest of us.
Jun 23 13:31:09 <Wolfchild> I disagree, but ok.
Jun 23 13:31:10 <Sypress> Makes it hard for us who can't hold our ships together in 0.0
Jun 23 13:31:36 <Iris> Learn to, none to hard.
Jun 23 13:31:48 <Wolfchild> And some people enjoy Eve for other aspects, then "yarr podkill for Killboards"
Jun 23 13:31:50 <Sypress> Last time I went into lowsec, I was locked down by a heavy interdictor.
Jun 23 13:31:51 <Iris> I was in 0.0 full time with in 2 months of joining the game.
Jun 23 13:32:21 <Sypress> At least he didn't have weapons.
Jun 23 13:32:40 <Iris> You're saying that all there is to living in 0.0 is killing? Theres maintaining logistics, and a host of other things.
Jun 23 13:33:03 <Sypress> That's all I ever see out there.
Jun 23 13:33:10 <Sypress> Killing, killing, and more killing
Jun 23 13:33:14 <Wolfchild> I agree
Jun 23 13:33:37 <Sypress> Everywhere I go seems to be volatile space
Jun 23 13:33:56 <Iris> We kill to enforce our claim, and most of the logistics is in the backround.
Jun 23 13:34:14 <Sypress> So what happens if I venture clear out to your area?
Jun 23 13:34:19 <Iris> We kill you.
Jun 23 13:34:24 <Sypress> Exactly
Jun 23 13:34:26 <Iris> You're not us.
Jun 23 13:34:29 <Sypress> Hence why I don't go out there.
Jun 23 13:34:38 <Sypress> YOu can't trust anyone for shit out there.
Jun 23 13:34:39 <Wolfchild> Then why do you have those gawkers, that run around smacktalking and enjoy killing off even pods, and even without offering ransom?
Jun 23 13:34:54 <Sypress> I learned that the hard way, twice, that you couldn't trusy ANYONE.
Jun 23 13:34:54 <Iris> Because even a pod is a intel tool.
Jun 23 13:35:08 <Iris> And therefore must be gone.
Jun 23 13:35:23 <Sypress> Right, you kill someone who isn't even a threat.
Jun 23 13:35:43 <Iris> Because giving intel is a enemy is a good thing?
Jun 23 13:35:53 <Wolfchild> That's bordering to fulfilling deep dark needs just for pleasure. Such people should not pilot starships.
Jun 23 13:35:58 <Iris> A pod can report numbers and movments.
Jun 23 13:35:59 <Sypress> ANd who would I give it too?
Jun 23 13:36:06 <Wolfchild> You should live, so you make no enemies.
Jun 23 13:36:12 <Iris> Your corp, you might be a alt of a greater alliance power.
Jun 23 13:36:20 <Sypress> I don't kill people for the hell of it.
Jun 23 13:36:25 <Iris> Every one that is not blue, is hostile.
Jun 23 13:36:45 <Iris> The order of life in fringe space.
Jun 23 13:36:47 <Sypress> I search for things, prod around the dark corners, and kill an occasional rat.
Jun 23 13:37:07 <Iris> How do I, as someone that just ran into you know that?
Jun 23 13:37:15 <Iris> Also, you are taking my resources, the rats.
Jun 23 13:37:27 <Sypress> Oi
Jun 23 13:37:31 <Sypress> Lowsec is bullshit then
Jun 23 13:37:44 <Iris> How so?
Jun 23 13:37:46 <Sypress> Can't go anywhere without being killed, ENd of story.
Jun 23 13:37:55 <Iris> YOu have to out think the killers.
Jun 23 13:37:58 <Wolfchild> Better stick to highsec
Jun 23 13:38:12 <Sypress> Kinda hard when you can't cloak while locked on.
Jun 23 13:38:16 <Iris> I've been persued, and evaded with out firing a shot.
Jun 23 13:38:30 <Sypress> I keep a cloaking device, but my ship is a lumbering rock.
Jun 23 13:38:40 <Iris> They were in HACs whileI was in a domi.
Jun 23 13:38:50 <Wolfchild> Best way to move in 0.0 is in an stealth bomber with scan probes
Jun 23 13:38:58 <Iris> Not to say I have not lost my fair share of ships.
Jun 23 13:39:08 <Iris> Planing on suprising a ratting raven?
Jun 23 13:39:10 <Sypress> I don't have billions to expend.
Jun 23 13:39:17 <Wolfchild> Besides those 0.0 people use hacks or exploit bugs so they can kill you, while you're disconnected or something.
Jun 23 13:39:21 <Sypress> If I lose something. It's gone.
Jun 23 13:39:23 <Wolfchild> That's not what I call fair play
Jun 23 13:39:40 <Iris> You ar ein space for 30 seconds after logging
Jun 23 13:39:52 <Iris> 15 minutes if you're agressed by a player
Jun 23 13:40:15 <Iris> I have just under half a billion in liquid assets at the moment.
Jun 23 13:40:22 <Sypress> The safest place I can find is Providence.
Jun 23 13:40:23 <Iris> By no means am I rich.
Jun 23 13:40:36 <Wolfchild> They even exploit the bad grid. So 0.0 and lowsec must be avoided by all cost, if not backed up by an majr alliance
Jun 23 13:40:37 * Nakayme hugs Iris and gives him kisses.
Jun 23 13:40:51 <Sypress> I spend my first few weeks out there because of jackass corps war-dec'ing us.
Jun 23 13:41:07 <Iris> A few enitys found a way to tweak a grid, ohnoes.
Jun 23 13:41:08 <Sypress> I want to play the game, not run around in fear 24/7
Jun 23 13:41:12 <Wolfchild> Aye another bad thing
Jun 23 13:41:23 <Iris> Wardecs are -bad-?
Jun 23 13:41:29 <Wolfchild> Hard for people to enjoy the game if chased like an fox in an unfair foxhunt
Jun 23 13:41:37 <Iris> I say that having lost plenty of ships to them.
Jun 23 13:41:41 <Sypress> When a 120+ man corp declares war on a 6 person corp?
Jun 23 13:41:42 * Wolfchild nuzzles Sypress
Jun 23 13:41:48 <Sypress> Are you seriously asking me that question, Iris?
Jun 23 13:42:00 <Iris> Sure. Why not, they have might so should make right~
Jun 23 13:42:24 <Sypress> Demanding 1 billion from a tiny missioning corp is bullshit.
Jun 23 13:42:28 <Wolfchild> See, that kind of philosophy ruins Eve for many people, in benefit of few. Luckily CCP sees that.
Jun 23 13:42:48 <Iris> That might makes right ruins a game thats been driven by it all it's life?
Jun 23 13:42:59 <Wolfchild> What would Eve be without it's players? just another lousy private epeen-measuring MMORPG.
Jun 23 13:43:23 <Iris> It's a niche game, and the many tend to try to out might each other?
Jun 23 13:43:32 <Nakayme> Last time my corp was wardecced when we had people active, we all warped to different parts of the galaxy, let them waste time pursuing us 20 jumps out, logged off, and logged in with someone else and they'd have to jump out 20-30 jumps to get to them. Then when they got to the system, log out and choose a new character again
Jun 23 13:43:46 <Nakayme> They got tired of that real fast :P
Jun 23 13:44:07 <Iris> Does that really make a few thats the target? Every one is a target.
Jun 23 13:44:26 <Iris> Right now, I'm camping a RA station to ensure they leave with nothing.
Jun 23 13:44:33 <Iris> They lost, they get to die.
Jun 23 13:44:40 <Nakayme> No, but when you're a target, you don't get any help and people still want you to do stuff for them or give them stuff.
Jun 23 13:45:08 <Iris> My point is, in eve, noone is safe and everyone is a target to someone.
Jun 23 13:45:15 <Sypress> Someone killed me, in an Itty 2 after I docked at a 0.4 station to pick up a scanner
Jun 23 13:45:20 <Wolfchild> Is this what happens on this channel allt he time? in that case I'm in the wrong place for an friendly, and casual chat.
Jun 23 13:45:45 <Iris> This is fairly friendly, I'm yet to see any decent yelling
Jun 23 13:46:13 <Nakayme> Most of the time it's more friendly. But everyone should have a right to vent.
Jun 23 13:46:40 <Sypress> EVE just isn't fun when you can't even venture a jump away without being shot.
Jun 23 13:46:40 <Wolfchild> Everyone should have an right to get their opinions respected and considered.
Jun 23 13:46:56 <Iris> IF you can't outthink the people shooting you.
Jun 23 13:47:27 <Sypress> Let's outthink them when they have a 2 second lockon time and your ship moves at 23m/s while cloaked shall we?!
Jun 23 13:47:35 <Sypress> Jesus fucking christ.
Jun 23 13:47:42 <Sypress> We're not all 4-year players.
Jun 23 13:47:58 <Wolfchild> Thinking needs time, what you don't have when beeing agressed often. I think jump clones need to be more availiable.
Jun 23 13:48:18 <Iris> If you cant decide what to do in the gate cloak time, you think to slowly.
Jun 23 13:48:41 <Sypress> THis isn't about gate timing.
Jun 23 13:48:47 <Sypress> This is about general moving around.
Jun 23 13:48:59 <Sypress> Also, ore stealers. They're just a bunch of assholes.
Jun 23 13:49:08 <Iris> Eve does not need to be any smaller, more jump clones would make it such. Now allowing implant profiles would be handy.
Jun 23 13:49:26 <Iris> You can shoot then, you were giving a method of recourse and stoping them.
Jun 23 13:49:58 <Wolfchild> Not more jmpclones, easier to get, losing 400 m of implants is sad
Jun 23 13:50:26 <Iris> Not hard at all to get, either grind standings, or join a space holding alliance.
Jun 23 13:50:59 <Iris> And like I said, being able to chaqnge implants (Via a profile or something) on a single clone would be nifty and a better fix.
Jun 23 13:51:46 <Wolfchild> As would be unplugging them not for sale, but for tight fits, make an "used_impplant" group which can't sell
Jun 23 13:52:09 <Iris> Being able to swap from inty implents to battleship with out a 24h cool down would be nice
Jun 23 13:52:18 <Iris> So would being able to rip them out of bodies
Jun 23 13:54:09 <Iris> also making salvage give more, like ultra compressed minerals and the lick (and much more out of playerships) would be nice.
Jun 23 13:54:33 <Iris> Ransom piracy is dead, mostly because of: Killboard whores, and people who wont pay up.
Jun 23 13:54:53 <Nakayme> Actually, I wish you would be able to go and access jump clones more often. Like maybe once every 6 hours.
Jun 23 13:55:25 <Iris> If they wont give a implant method, that would be nice, but eve does not need to be any smaller
Jun 23 13:56:00 <Wolfchild> I feel proud for defying an ransom, and just getting out in my pod and "shoot me" takes all the fun away from them stalkers, only killboard ratings remain.
Jun 23 13:56:07 * Sypress insures his Flaccidmissilewaffle
Jun 23 13:56:29 <Iris> And yet you complain that no one offers them in the first place any more.
Jun 23 13:56:52 <Iris> Also it's pretty hard to get a pod anywhere but 0.0 thanks to instantly warping.
Jun 23 13:57:21 <Wolfchild> Pods instawarp? in less then 2.0 secs it takes to lock on them?
Jun 23 13:57:47 <Iris> Yes.
Jun 23 13:57:50 <Taisa> prettymuch
Jun 23 13:57:52 <Iris> They align instantly.
Jun 23 13:58:04 <Wolfchild> Aye caramba thanks for the usefull info
Jun 23 13:58:05 <Iris> Most none 0.0 podkills are due to lag
Jun 23 13:58:28 <Iris> o.o due to bubbles, glorious bubbles.
Jun 23 13:59:03 <Wolfchild> Bubbles increase your agility/speed?
Jun 23 13:59:20 <Iris> No, they are a AoE anti warp device
Jun 23 13:59:55 <Sypress> Heh. I'm Gallente, and Gallente doesn't like me anymore
Jun 23 14:00:03 <Wolfchild> Ouch
Jun 23 14:00:37 <Iris> Theres one you can set up permanatly, and interdictors that can deploy a temp one instantly
Jun 23 14:00:49 <Nakayme> What is your standing with the gallente?
Jun 23 14:01:32 <Sypress> -0.03
Jun 23 14:01:40 <Sypress> With Diplomacy
Jun 23 14:01:50 <Taisa> still
Jun 23 14:02:29 <Taisa> better than my -2.70 or with Diplo -1.70
Jun 23 14:03:19 <Wolfchild> Mission grinding brings mine to an whooping 0.0 :) Caldari
Jun 23 14:03:45 <Sypress> Caldari Navy loves me, but Caldari themselves don't like me much
Jun 23 14:04:36 <Wolfchild> I hafta work on my Diplomacy
Jun 23 14:04:39 <Nakayme> Hey
Jun 23 14:05:04 <Nakayme> If I put up a secure cargo container and anchor it, will Concord kill people that shoots at it if it is in highsec?
Jun 23 14:05:35 <Taisa> yes
Jun 23 14:05:48 <Taisa> but killing a GSC is ubertly hard to pop
Jun 23 14:05:52 <Wolfchild> Put goodies in it, or pretend to put
Jun 23 14:06:48 <Nakayme> How much do GSCs hold?
Jun 23 14:07:06 <Wolfchild> 3 k
Jun 23 14:07:08 <Wolfchild> m3
Jun 23 14:07:18 <Nakayme> That sucks. And they have to be placed how far apart?
Jun 23 14:07:35 <Sypress> 3900
Jun 23 14:07:38 <Sypress> They take up 3000
Jun 23 14:07:40 <Wolfchild> Hmm not sure? 5 or 50 km's
Jun 23 14:07:46 <Sypress> 5000m
Jun 23 14:07:56 <Sypress> Within easy scooping distance.
Jun 23 14:08:13 <Nakayme> I'm wondering if it would be worth doing that while I mine in a hulk.
Jun 23 14:08:15 <Sypress> Just be sure to bookmark where you left them
Jun 23 14:08:45 <Nakayme> Seems to me like it'd be just as effective to just fly back to the station and dock when my load is finished.
Jun 23 14:08:46 <Sypress> Better off to jetcan while someone with an Itty 5 hauls it away
Jun 23 14:09:08 <Wolfchild> How much does an itty 5 hold with T2 expanders?
Jun 23 14:09:19 <Sypress> Over 9 thousand
Jun 23 14:09:30 <Taisa> I do it the other way
Jun 23 14:09:33 <Nakayme> Yeah, I'd do that, but I am losing my hauler tommorow
Jun 23 14:09:38 <Taisa> anchor one, and use that as a warp in point
Jun 23 14:09:38 <Sypress> I think something more like 20k if you got it just right
Jun 23 14:10:04 <Taisa> I put my first cycle in it to "top up" the hulk, so I always dock up with full cargobay
Jun 23 14:10:08 <Wolfchild> My Bestower fits 23 k m3 with 4 expanders ;) and it's IV
Jun 23 14:10:10 <Nakayme> I already have several parts of the belts bookmarked
Jun 23 14:10:32 <Taisa> heh
Jun 23 14:10:45 <Sypress> I mine in a Myrmidon
Jun 23 14:10:50 <Wolfchild> Ouch
Jun 23 14:10:56 <Wolfchild> Nah Hulks are best
Jun 23 14:11:02 <Iris> Go for a battleship or a exhumer
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Jun 23 14:11:07 <Sypress> THis thing outmines the Procurer
Jun 23 14:11:11 <Iris> Unless you're doing ice or mercoxit
Jun 23 14:11:26 <Nakayme> It's not hard to outmine a procuror :P My Osprey can do that with 3 lasers.
Jun 23 14:11:28 <Sypress> Which I probably won't
Jun 23 14:11:41 <Sypress> Well, whichever can hold 3 lazors
Jun 23 14:11:57 <Iris> Ice is easy to find, and mexcoxit is a fairly common ore, and the miner for it is a good ninja miner
Jun 23 14:12:10 <Wolfchild> Well, best thing for longminers it something like Itty V with Miner II, for people that can focus, an Osprey with more Miners II
Jun 23 14:12:12 <Sypress> I extract 520m3 every minute, instead of 400 something for Strip lasers
Jun 23 14:12:43 <Nakayme> I extract 1000m^3+ every minute in my hulk.
Jun 23 14:12:45 <Wolfchild> I extract hmm lemme see 2 k an minute
Jun 23 14:13:12 <Nakayme> But the one thing you need an exhumer or barge to do that you can't do in anything else is mine ice.
Jun 23 14:13:23 <Taisa> in my hulk
Jun 23 14:13:36 <Taisa> 1305.91m3 per laser per 3 minute cycle
Jun 23 14:13:37 <Iris> Use a mack for ice, and the skiff rips up mercoxit.
Jun 23 14:13:43 <Wolfchild> THe smallest T2 exhumer is cool, it's made for use in 0.0
Jun 23 14:13:47 <Sypress> I wish you could blow asteroids to little chunks, and haul them around with a tractor beam.
Jun 23 14:13:55 <Iris> All of them are 0.0 capable.
Jun 23 14:14:05 <Taisa> Wolfchild
Jun 23 14:14:06 <Iris> The hulk can tank a battleship spawn
Jun 23 14:14:12 <Taisa> have you tried tanking a Skiff?
Jun 23 14:14:25 <Iris> It runs easy, is what he ment.
Jun 23 14:14:40 <Wolfchild> Nope, but with proper skills, the Hulk, can tank an BS right, just need an escort for human rats
Jun 23 14:15:11 <Iris> A inty wolf pack eats most escorts, seen that first hand when those two domis went squish~
Jun 23 14:15:33 <Sypress> I wish our entire corp had drakes
Jun 23 14:15:39 <Iris> ... Why?
Jun 23 14:15:39 <Sypress> EPIC MISSILE SPAM OF DEATH
Jun 23 14:15:41 <Wolfchild> Interceptors eat drakes
Jun 23 14:15:56 <Sypress> Either that or Ravens
Jun 23 14:15:56 <Iris> Well, the warrior IIs the drakes can throw...
Jun 23 14:15:58 <Sypress> Or Golems
Jun 23 14:16:04 <Wolfchild> Try to hit something that moves 3k m/s
Jun 23 14:16:09 <Iris> Take you out one by one.
Jun 23 14:16:25 <Wolfchild> Drones are best fitted on Gallente bs
Jun 23 14:16:31 <Iris> If I was in a wolfpack, and saw a belt full of golems, mmm
Jun 23 14:16:38 <Iris> So you ignore the drone bay on other things
Jun 23 14:16:40 <Iris> ?